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Lowenberger

05-13-2005, 03:07 PM

The newest console is now the XBOX 360. I can say Im satisfied with XBOX. Hopefully games are cheaper now.

I really doubt stuff will get cheaper until the system actually comes out. Even then, system prices might drop, but games will still probably be much the same.

RiderPride86

05-14-2005, 01:13 PM

I really doubt stuff will get cheaper until the system actually comes out. Even then, system prices might drop, but games will still probably be much the same.

In November when Xbox 360 is supposed to launch, the Xbox, PS2 will drop to like 149.99 or so. But I dont know how much this Xbox 360 will be but with wireless controllers, the games they showed, Xbox live when you buy, looks really good and as long as its not $400 or less I will likely get one..thats if I can afford one at the time.

smkdwn

05-14-2005, 01:46 PM

In November when Xbox 360 is supposed to launch, the Xbox, PS2 will drop to like 149.99 or so. But I dont know how much this Xbox 360 will be but with wireless controllers, the games they showed, Xbox live when you buy, looks really good and as long as its not $400 or less I will likely get one..thats if I can afford one at the time.

They will probably come in a kit with system, controller(s), game(s), xbox live gold subscription... and it will probably end up at around $499 - $599.

The makers of these consoles, Microsoft in this case, usually take a loss on the hardware when they come out but make up for it in software sales.

Stamps

05-14-2005, 11:24 PM

I'm hearing 350 bucks. Also you'll be able to talk with people for free on xbox live but will have to pay to play. There will also be a system so you play with people like yourself not the losers that are on 24/7.

Lowenberger

05-15-2005, 09:22 AM

Word is that it will cost around $299 $US, so it should come in under $500 Canadian for sure.

RiderPride86

05-15-2005, 03:44 PM

They will probably come in a kit with system, controller(s), game(s), xbox live gold subscription... and it will probably end up at around $499 - $599.

The makers of these consoles, Microsoft in this case, usually take a loss on the hardware when they come out but make up for it in software sales.

I doubt it will be 500-600 like you say, but who really knows. I have heard that it will be 299-399 US with an option to get the 20 gig hard drive or not to.

RiderPride86

05-15-2005, 03:46 PM

Word is that it will cost around $299 $US, so it should come in under $500 Canadian for sure.

If they are bringing out a version at 299 US, it will be around 350 Canadian. But we dont really know yet, hopefully we will find out at e3 this week (May 17-20). I believe the Press Conferences are on May 17th

rbanow

05-15-2005, 05:49 PM

Microsoft confirmed that there will not be the option to buy without the 20 gig hard drive.

RiderPride86

05-15-2005, 08:03 PM

Microsoft confirmed that there will not be the option to buy without the 20 gig hard drive.

OK I didnt know that.

Lowenberger

05-18-2005, 02:54 AM

Word has leaked that the PS3 will "sell for less than 50000 yen". Apparently this corresponds to around $465 US!

One has to wonder if this is a good play for Sony. It looks like the PS3 will cost over $200 Canadian more than the Xbox 360...it would have to be a lot better to allow for such a price.

RiderPride86

05-18-2005, 09:13 AM

smkdwn

05-18-2005, 11:50 AM

PS3 will likely be more, no one knows how much more.

The PS3 has more powerful specs, however it is coming out in 2006. I'll buy the Xbox 360 because it comes out sooner. The graphics for the PS3 have the potential to be amazing. Check out REAL gameplay from this title Killzone 2. I would buy a PS3 just for that game. Click on the "stream for free" option under game demonstration.

http://www.gamespot.com/ps3/action/killzone2/media.html

Lowenberger

05-18-2005, 04:17 PM

The PS3 has more powerful specs, however it is coming out in 2006. I'll buy the Xbox 360 because it comes out sooner. The graphics for the PS3 have the potential to be amazing. Check out REAL gameplay from this title Killzone 2. I would buy a PS3 just for that game. Click on the "stream for free" option under game demonstration.

http://www.gamespot.com/ps3/action/killzone2/media.html

Just thought I'd note that a lot of people are skeptical that killzone is real gameplay, as opposed to being prerendered, just because of how good it looks and seems to play.

It looks very good, but I dont know if its going to be worth an extra $300

Lowenberger

05-18-2005, 04:18 PM

PS3 will likely be more, no one knows how much more.

I just said that it is reported to be around $465 $US...

rbanow

05-19-2005, 09:52 AM

Yea all the PS3 clips are suspected to not be gameplay as they claim.

And also Sony is known for overstating specs for their systems.

I also like the idea of Xbox out first therefore, no games should have to be ported for it because developers hopefully will develop on it first.

RiderPride86

05-19-2005, 07:22 PM

The PS3 has more powerful specs, however it is coming out in 2006. I'll buy the Xbox 360 because it comes out sooner. The graphics for the PS3 have the potential to be amazing. Check out REAL gameplay from this title Killzone 2. I would buy a PS3 just for that game. Click on the "stream for free" option under game demonstration.

http://www.gamespot.com/ps3/action/killzone2/media.html

The specs are fairly similar in a lot of ways, it equals out with better cpu with the xbox 360, and 3 processors of 3.2 ghz. But overall the PS3 is slightly more powerful. By the way that has been confirmed to be not gameplay in Killzone2, just so ya know. Its not realtime.

RiderPride86

05-19-2005, 07:23 PM

Just thought I'd note that a lot of people are skeptical that killzone is real gameplay, as opposed to being prerendered, just because of how good it looks and seems to play.

It looks very good, but I dont know if its going to be worth an extra $300

I will guarantee you that was prerendered.

go riders

05-19-2005, 08:41 PM

The specs are fairly similar in a lot of ways, it equals out with better cpu with the xbox 360, and 3 processors of 3.2 ghz. But overall the PS3 is slightly more powerful. By the way that has been confirmed to be not gameplay in Killzone2, just so ya know. Its not realtime.

Technically, XBox 360 has one processor (with three 3.2 GHz cores). The PS3 will have the new CELL processor.

RiderPride86

05-19-2005, 10:15 PM

Technically, XBox 360 has one processor (with three 3.2 GHz cores). The PS3 will have the new CELL processor.

Ya but they are very similar in specs when I looked at them.

RiderPride86

05-20-2005, 01:21 AM

I pay almost no attention to specs. PS2 had all these great specs, yet didn't have enough ram for it's processor power. Tons of bottlenecks increase the difficulty in making games for a system inherrantly difficult to develope for. In the end PS2 had the worst graphics out of any of the systems.

That said, the PS3's demos show it will be a graphical beast, but the point is that specs really don't mean much. At the end of the day the differance in system specs between the consoles will not be what determines the differance between how games look and play on each console.

I tend to agree with you, Sony tends over exagerate there specs, not saying it is the case, but I dont think there will be much if any difference between the systems graphically, but its all about the games and Xbox 360 has a killer lineup so far.

go riders

05-20-2005, 09:51 AM

Ya but they are very similar in specs when I looked at them.

From a spec prespective, simply quote things like processor speed is pretty irrelevant. There's a lot more to 'computing power' than clock speed. Why do you think Intel has stopped it's simple assault on clock speed?

However, there is a huge difference between three processors and a single 3-core processor.

RiderPride86

05-21-2005, 02:35 PM

From a spec prespective, simply quote things like processor speed is pretty irrelevant. There's a lot more to 'computing power' than clock speed. Why do you think Intel has stopped it's simple assault on clock speed?

However, there is a huge difference between three processors and a single 3-core processor.

Ya you are right, I guess I should of said 3 cores instead because I did know that but my point is that all them will be very similar graphically wise.

Lowenberger

05-21-2005, 09:54 PM

Ya you are right, I guess I should of said 3 cores instead because I did know that but my point is that all them will be very similar graphically wise.

It might be similar to the current generation of consoles. While graphics are generally similar, the XBOX is definitely better and sharper. This time, the ps3 may end up a tad better. I'm hoping not, as I plan on getting a 360 though.

joenopride

05-21-2005, 10:13 PM

Lowenberger

05-21-2005, 11:13 PM

Surely some of you have seen the Revoloution as well? I love the specs as they are looking to be about par with all of the other systems, as well as some things the others don't have. Backwards compatability, controllers that don't feel like banannas to name a few. I am slighltly dissapointed with the look of it, but design isn't everything right? Its going to be tight again in the console race.

I think it is going to be tough for Nintendo to get back into the race. So far it has been hyped at all compared to the other two. Pack that with a dwindling number of followers after the Cube, and it will be hard.

THat being said, we're still a long way from the release of the Rev, so theres lots of time for the hype machine to build and Nintendo to get back support.

RiderPride86

05-22-2005, 03:17 AM

Surely some of you have seen the Revoloution as well? I love the specs as they are looking to be about par with all of the other systems, as well as some things the others don't have. Backwards compatability, controllers that don't feel like banannas to name a few. I am slighltly dissapointed with the look of it, but design isn't everything right? Its going to be tight again in the console race.

Uh question for ya, we know nothing about the Revolution besides that it will have online play, it will be backwards compatible, it will be able to download classic nintendo games (which is cool), but we have no clue on the specs besides "the graphics will wow you." We know nothing about the controllers, according to E3.

the leprechaun

05-22-2005, 11:12 AM

Hopefully this means that PS2 games will become cheaper.

TheRiderTool

05-22-2005, 12:53 PM

I dont think the revolution will have much chance. It will be better and still be known. but no where close to the PS3 and the 360. As I see it wiht the systems out now, the GC is for younger ages and middle. Ps2 is for all. And X-Box is for middle and older. So unless kindergarten parents give up and buy their kid the revolution, I dont thinnk it will have much chance.

RiderPride86

05-22-2005, 03:47 PM

Personally I'm not worried about specs. Impressive specs do not really mean anything. It's the games that matter. Being the most profitable gaming company, Nintendo will no doubt have a console that will put out as good or better graphics than Sony and Microsoft.

That being said, maybe they should hype up their specs and throw around ridiculously unatainable numbers (prior to PS2's launch Sony was saying that the machine could run 100 million polygons when in reality that was 100 million without any effects such as lighting, so those 100 million polygons would look real good on a pitch black screen. Real games saw a max of about 5-7 million polygons at a time.) just to keep up in the hype game that sells a lot of Playstations and Xboxes.

As good or better graphics are yet to be seen, Im not saying they wont all i was saying is that I have not seen anything on them in terms of graphics, specs and what there controller looks like. I think Sony overtold there specs and all there games were not real time like they claim, like Killzone 2..they claim it was realtime..and I can almost guarantee that it wasnt.

Lowenberger

05-22-2005, 09:22 PM

As good or better graphics are yet to be seen, Im not saying they wont all i was saying is that I have not seen anything on them in terms of graphics, specs and what there controller looks like. I think Sony overtold there specs and all there games were not real time like they claim, like Killzone 2..they claim it was realtime..and I can almost guarantee that it wasnt.

I believe it came out somewhere that it wasn't real.

Anyway, I doubt the Nintendo will have better graphics, probably similar to the 360 just because it is coming out later. Nintendo hasn't really focused on graphics that much, even with older systems. There focus tends to be on playability and having fun games.

RiderPride86

05-23-2005, 01:14 AM

Complete misconception. Gamecube has a ton of M rated games to go along with their software intended for everyone. If any current system is intended for all types of gamers, it's Gamecube, not PS2. The problem is that any type of support of games for an "everyone" crowds is automatically perceived as being "for kids" regardless of the number of games geared at older games.

I got to disagree on the fact that Gamecube is for all types of gamers, I know they got a wide variety of titles but for the most part it is a kid system. I like Nintendo dont get me wrong, but they dont have enough titles that I like to buy a Gamecube. Playstation is for the most part a system of variety, and Xbox is starting to do that more.

RiderPride86

05-23-2005, 02:21 PM

I'm not going to debate against your preferance of not buying a Gamecube, because afterall we all have our own tastes and preferances.

But I am going to challange the view that for the most part it is a kid system. That is not true at all. That is the common perception, but all you're doing is regurgitating it. Most people that say that have hardly played any games nor do they know the first thing thing about the system's software lineup.

How is it not? It is far more a kid console than the others and thats just the image that Nintendo has with Mario. I dont dislike Nintendo it has alot of classics. regurgitating? I have played alot of Gamecube ok, and for the most part I said it was a kid console ok? I know it has Resident Evil, Sports games and other types but its main focus is on the Mario games. Once again I have no disrespect for Nintendo.

TheRiderTool

05-23-2005, 02:24 PM

I'm not going to debate against your preferance of not buying a Gamecube, because afterall we all have our own tastes and preferances.

But I am going to challange the view that for the most part it is a kid system. That is not true at all. That is the common perception, but all you're doing is regurgitating it. Most people that say that have hardly played any games nor do they know the first thing thing about the system's software lineup.

I have a gamecube and when I go to rent games, half of them are "kiddy" games, there are still M games etc, but I know many litle kids with GC's and my friends and I all own ps2.

Lowenberger

05-23-2005, 04:39 PM

If you're going by what games NINTENDO creates and juding it a "kids console", then I guess the PS2 is a nothing console, because they don't make any of their own software.

Because Nintendo makes it's own software of course they're going to push it, and yes Mario is for everyone. One thing I don't get though is how that is for "kids". Just because there isn't blood and gore doesn't make a game unappealing to adults. Give me a choice between multiplayer Mario Kart and multiplayer Halo 2, and I'll choose Mario Kart 10 times out of 10.

Many of the M rated games that go multi-console are on Gamecube just as they are on PS2 and Xbox. I'm not sure how one system can be labelled "childish" in comparison to another one when they share many of the same 3rd party titles.

One of the main reasons Gamecube is seen as "kiddish" is because most of their "big" games are very cartoony in nature. Games like Marios, Animal crossing, Pikmin, etc.,

Whereas Ps2's main games tend to strive for realistic and/or "mature" gameplay. Games like Grand Turismo, Grand Theft Auto, God of War, etc.

It all depends on your gaming preference. Personally, if not for GTA, I would rather play Gamecube than PS2 because on the most part their games are more fun, but I can understand why it is seen as "kiddish".

Of course, the Xbox trumps them all IMO.